Comments on: Trust http://www.marc.cn/2007/09/trust.html Marc van der Chijs' Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:41:50 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: lin http://www.marc.cn/2007/09/trust.html/comment-page-1#comment-1258 lin Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:14:00 +0000 http://mirrin.nl/?p=733#comment-1258 I remember one wisdom:<br/>Do not suspect the man you use, but if you doubt sb. You should not put him/her in a very important position..<br/><br/>Somehow I don't know how to comfort people.. But things happen, what we can do is try to solve it. Luckily you did that! All your friends will feel happy for that. <br/><br/>Please think about that you found this problem in an early time, and you become stronger and salted from that..<br/><br/>In my own opinion, we always should trust people.. Even one day they betray us, it is also their mistakes and misfortune.. As you said, the bad person will bear the all aftereffect.. and maybe also feel a little ashamed...<br/><br/>Whatever, wish you best!! :) Be cool! ha:)<br/><br/>lin I remember one wisdom:
Do not suspect the man you use, but if you doubt sb. You should not put him/her in a very important position..

Somehow I don’t know how to comfort people.. But things happen, what we can do is try to solve it. Luckily you did that! All your friends will feel happy for that.

Please think about that you found this problem in an early time, and you become stronger and salted from that..

In my own opinion, we always should trust people.. Even one day they betray us, it is also their mistakes and misfortune.. As you said, the bad person will bear the all aftereffect.. and maybe also feel a little ashamed…

Whatever, wish you best!! :) Be cool! ha:)

lin

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.marc.cn/2007/09/trust.html/comment-page-1#comment-1257 Anonymous Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:10:00 +0000 http://mirrin.nl/?p=733#comment-1257 we let it go. like a lot of things, it was hard to prove to the level we could take it to the gongan. plus, we are not a perfect company in terms of absolute compliance with the tax authorities and she knows that. <br/><br/>no one seems to check references here so we couldn't have any input with a future employer. had she been a guy i think my partner, against my wishes, would have hired some extrajudicial help to at least get satisfaction, if not our money back.<br/><br/>i just chalk it up as a contribution to my china tuition fund (do we ever graduate?) it was not big enough amount of money to matter, but we did make sure that her colleagues know we know what was going on, that we took action, and that we are paying attention. <br/><br/>empowerment can be very dangerous here, and not just when it comes to finances. people really seem to like to have very structured environments. or i have just not been able to hire the right people, which is very possible<br/><br/>good luck. you are dead on that you need to be an optimist to be a successful entrepreneur. but being an optimist and having very strong controls in your company do not have to be mutually exclusive. we let it go. like a lot of things, it was hard to prove to the level we could take it to the gongan. plus, we are not a perfect company in terms of absolute compliance with the tax authorities and she knows that.

no one seems to check references here so we couldn’t have any input with a future employer. had she been a guy i think my partner, against my wishes, would have hired some extrajudicial help to at least get satisfaction, if not our money back.

i just chalk it up as a contribution to my china tuition fund (do we ever graduate?) it was not big enough amount of money to matter, but we did make sure that her colleagues know we know what was going on, that we took action, and that we are paying attention.

empowerment can be very dangerous here, and not just when it comes to finances. people really seem to like to have very structured environments. or i have just not been able to hire the right people, which is very possible

good luck. you are dead on that you need to be an optimist to be a successful entrepreneur. but being an optimist and having very strong controls in your company do not have to be mutually exclusive.

]]> By: Marc van der Chijs http://www.marc.cn/2007/09/trust.html/comment-page-1#comment-1256 Marc van der Chijs Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:51:00 +0000 http://mirrin.nl/?p=733#comment-1256 Just wondering, what did you do when you found out about the kickbacks? Did you take any action or just let it go because she left already? Just wondering, what did you do when you found out about the kickbacks? Did you take any action or just let it go because she left already?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.marc.cn/2007/09/trust.html/comment-page-1#comment-1255 Anonymous Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:35:00 +0000 http://mirrin.nl/?p=733#comment-1255 I prefer the empowerment approach too. But i would not be free with the chops, and I would still strongly advise you to choucha expense reports, purchase orders and marketing deals to try to prevent fraud and kickbacks. The thing that is really hard here is that to most people taking a kickback or filing a false expense report is not considered wrong. <br/><br/>If you run any marketing events you have to look at every line item expense. marketing huodong, especially events are very very fertile ground for large kickbacks. And while your employees may not ask for them, the local partner will most likely offer, and sometimes a large bundle of cash is really hard to turn down.<br/><br/>I just went through something similar with one of our most tenured employees. We renovated our offices and soon after she quit. Only then did we find a whole set of kickback issues from her final months with company. I prefer the empowerment approach too. But i would not be free with the chops, and I would still strongly advise you to choucha expense reports, purchase orders and marketing deals to try to prevent fraud and kickbacks. The thing that is really hard here is that to most people taking a kickback or filing a false expense report is not considered wrong.

If you run any marketing events you have to look at every line item expense. marketing huodong, especially events are very very fertile ground for large kickbacks. And while your employees may not ask for them, the local partner will most likely offer, and sometimes a large bundle of cash is really hard to turn down.

I just went through something similar with one of our most tenured employees. We renovated our offices and soon after she quit. Only then did we find a whole set of kickback issues from her final months with company.

]]> By: Marc van der Chijs http://www.marc.cn/2007/09/trust.html/comment-page-1#comment-1254 Marc van der Chijs Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:25:00 +0000 http://mirrin.nl/?p=733#comment-1254 @anonymouse: I like your quote, will keep it in mind. I do not want to publicly share the details of what happened, I am not huai enough for that (yet). <br/><br/>I don't believe in running a business by playing the role of a cop. In my opinion people need some freedom in order to make things happen, but not everybody can handle the freedom. @anonymouse: I like your quote, will keep it in mind. I do not want to publicly share the details of what happened, I am not huai enough for that (yet).

I don’t believe in running a business by playing the role of a cop. In my opinion people need some freedom in order to make things happen, but not everybody can handle the freedom.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.marc.cn/2007/09/trust.html/comment-page-1#comment-1253 Anonymous Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:15:00 +0000 http://mirrin.nl/?p=733#comment-1253 sorry. you are right, it can happen anywhere, though in today's china it seems a bit more prevalent. too bad you can't share details; it would be very instructional for your readers<br/><br/>you can not build a business without trusting people, but here you have to keep them on a very short leash, take an auditor's approach to every expense/purchase order, and control the chops. <br/><br/>one of my friends in beijing gave me very valuable china business advice. he said "you laowai have a hard time in china because you are just not bad (huai) enough. we chinese do stuff that you wouldn't even think of." sorry. you are right, it can happen anywhere, though in today’s china it seems a bit more prevalent. too bad you can’t share details; it would be very instructional for your readers

you can not build a business without trusting people, but here you have to keep them on a very short leash, take an auditor’s approach to every expense/purchase order, and control the chops.

one of my friends in beijing gave me very valuable china business advice. he said “you laowai have a hard time in china because you are just not bad (huai) enough. we chinese do stuff that you wouldn’t even think of.”

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